(19:20:56) mcr: hi. (19:22:04) bjb: biab - should be back before 19:30 (19:22:15) oclug [[:mcr@wlan203.sandelman.ca]] entered the room. (19:22:53) mode (+o oclug) by ChanServ (19:24:07) mode (+o mcr) by oclug (19:24:10) mode (+o bjb) by oclug (19:24:15) mode (+o wardi) by oclug (19:24:20) mode (+o rj_ren) by oclug (19:24:30) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. (19:26:17) nashjc [[:~john@76-10-180-170.dsl.teksavvy.com]] entered the room. (19:26:46) nashjc left the room (quit: ). (19:27:28) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda (19:27:53) nashjc [[:~john@76-10-180-170.dsl.teksavvy.com]] entered the room. (19:29:26) nashjc: Anyone here? (19:29:29) mcr: hi. (19:30:26) bjb: I'm back (19:30:45) mcr: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda <- please edit., add items. (19:30:52) maggi [[:~margaret@draak.ca]] entered the room. (19:31:06) mode (+o nashjc) by mcr (19:31:10) mode (+o maggi) by mcr (19:31:33) mcr: maggi: did Tyler recover from his cold? (19:31:46) mcr: wardi: you awake? (19:32:12) mcr: rj_ren: hello? (19:32:12) rj_ren: hi - anna says where is everyone? We have a fridge full of food. :-) (19:32:24) mcr: (just trying to make the everyone's screen beep) (19:32:31) ttidman [[:~ttidman@draak.ca]] entered the room. (19:32:34) maggi: he is still feeling poopie, but he is coming (19:32:52) ttidman: hello (19:34:00) nashjc: Sorry I went to get a drink. And I have no idea how to operate channel (19:34:08) mcr: that's okay, I'll operate the channel! (19:34:09) bjb: "address new items" is listed twice in OclugBoardAgenda (19:34:30) mcr: if we are all here, let's start. (19:34:32) bjb: I'd like to add "reimburse Carback" (19:34:46) mcr: Ian hasn't spoken up yet. (19:34:46) bjb: I'm about to copy his receipts to tux (19:35:55) mcr: what's a Carback? is that Aleks' associate? (19:36:09) bjb: yes (19:36:21) mcr: * March 2008: put up announcement re: Algonquin College Programming Olympics prize and open wiki page for student questions (19:36:21) mcr: * March 2008: announce to Monitor and other press that OCLUG will give 2nd annual prize (19:36:21) mcr: * April 2008: - monthly meeting room scheduling for May, June, July, August (19:36:21) mcr: * April 2008: order Ubuntu LTS CDs (19:36:21) mcr: * April 2008: Reserve site at Vincent Massey Park for LitW (19:36:25) bjb: I sent his email to board-members (19:36:42) bjb: but not the receipts because they include copies of his credit card statement (19:36:43) mcr: we didn't approve the minutes of 2007! (19:36:56) wardi: sorry I'm late (19:37:08) ***wardi distracted by bbq rib steak (19:37:23) mcr: okay, LET'S START! (19:37:34) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #1 - Approval of the Agenda! (19:37:47) nashjc: I've no additions (19:37:52) maggi: mcr, you recording the minutes? (19:37:55) mcr: yes! (19:38:04) maggi: awesome (19:38:13) bjb: Did you add the "reimburse Carback" item to the agenda? (19:38:21) mcr: oh, i have an item- decide upon roles for new board! (19:38:31) ttidman: bjb: that item is there now, yes (19:39:45) nashjc: Approve agenda? (19:39:52) maggi: i approve (19:39:53) bjb: approved (19:39:56) mcr: I noticed the entry on the main page with the wiki/ticket changes. Neat. (19:40:11) ttidman: ditto, approved (19:40:23) rj_ren: approve (19:40:27) wardi: approve (19:40:51) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #2 - Approval of the minutes of March 2008. (19:40:58) mcr: any edits? (19:41:14) mcr: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/BoardMinutesMarch2008 (19:41:32) mcr: I wonder if there is a way to lock pages in trac. (19:41:45) wardi: there is (19:41:56) ttidman: mcr: or at least get the commit id :) (19:42:25) wardi: if you're admin you should see something down at the bottom (19:42:39) bjb: You could indent the list items under new items (19:42:49) bjb: they're not all indented (19:43:04) mcr: other than the #31? (19:43:34) bjb: reimburse Carback? (19:43:42) mcr: sorry? (19:43:48) bjb: should be indented? (19:43:59) mcr: are you looking at the March minutes? (19:44:02) bjb: along with #31 (19:44:11) bjb: No, I'm looking at the agenda (19:44:17) bjb: Maybe it's caching (19:44:42) bjb: Still not indented. Whatever (19:45:05) mcr: see now. (19:45:19) bjb: great! thanks! (19:45:32) mcr: blank line after the display causes the indent to reset. (19:45:51) bjb: ah (19:46:09) mcr: okay, so again, any changes to last month's minutes? (19:46:20) maggi: none from me (19:46:23) nashjc: none (19:46:27) bjb: no (19:46:50) ***wardi wasn't there (19:47:02) ttidman: mcr: no changes for last month's (19:48:18) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #3 - review forward agenda. (19:48:24) mcr: minutes passed. (19:48:36) mcr: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardForwardAgenda (19:48:43) mcr: please add stuff now! (19:48:48) bjb: no changes to forward agenda from me (19:49:01) mcr: I think that we should move the approve the minutes of 2007 when we get the audit report/finance report. (19:49:24) bjb: agree (19:49:26) nashjc: This should go on the main meeting agenda (19:49:30) mcr: I propose: May 2008: Approve 2007 AGM minutes, and table financial report. (19:49:42) mcr: (if we are ready!) (19:49:43) nashjc: OK to mcr suggestion (19:49:47) wardi: ok here (19:49:56) maggi: richard hagemeyer said he would have the audit done soon... I will follow up with him. (19:50:06) nashjc: I met Richard at Algonquin Research Day and he implied he was essentially ready (19:50:10) maggi: he also said the room is booked through till august (19:50:14) rj_ren: good point. i agree we approve after getting financial report (19:50:31) nashjc: next item? (19:50:52) mcr: btw: it's a review, because Richard isn't a CPA :-) (19:51:03) mcr: anything else to add to forward agenda? (19:51:07) mcr: August? September? 2009? (19:51:11) ttidman: he's apparently getting lots of help reviewing it so no worries (19:51:35) maggi: mcr, you referring to the booking of the room? (19:51:49) mcr: anything! (19:51:50) ttidman: item for may 2008, some LiTW promotion perhaps? (19:52:09) nashjc: Yes. LiTW is important to promote -- also to organize! (19:52:25) maggi: i will take on the organization again this year. (19:52:33) mcr: can we get LitW into our monitor ad, and also into the OLS agenda? (19:52:42) ttidman: i will also be voluntold to help with litw as well (19:52:50) mcr: there is an item later on about LiTW. (19:52:56) maggi: ok (19:53:01) mcr: anything else for the forward agenda? (19:53:04) mcr: going once! (19:53:06) maggi: none here (19:53:20) ttidman: nothing else comes to mind now (19:53:23) nashjc: next item? (19:53:37) mcr: old-business: Programming Olympics. (19:53:50) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #4 - programming olympics (19:54:33) nashjc: Do we have a page set up for this year so our members can volunteer? (19:54:40) nashjc: I don't see one. (19:54:54) maggi: speaking to richard he said there is not much we need to do until the day of the event... we need decide what the criteria is for our selection of a winner (19:54:56) mcr: ?? I don't know where it is. (19:55:04) ttidman: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/ProgrammingOlympics2008 (19:55:05) maggi: so i need some skilled people to be there to hlep with tht decision (19:55:24) nashjc: Also a checklist / scoring sheet. (19:56:13) bjb: We could add a pointer to the ProgrammingOlympics2008 page from the Programming Olympics announcement (19:56:20) mcr: I suggest that we strong-arm some people to volunteer. (19:56:37) mcr: can each person here suggest another person that should be persuaded to help? (19:57:13) ***wardi blends in with the scenery (19:57:14) nashjc: suggest P Suwalski if we can get him to come (19:57:15) bjb: Wisq (19:57:43) ttidman: i couldn't find the start and end time for the prog. olympics on their web page (19:58:17) mcr: wardi: you need to suggest some one else, not yourself! (19:58:27) wardi: yeah, I can't think of anyone (19:58:37) bjb: bartman (19:58:44) ***bjb suggests a second person to cover for wardi (19:58:53) ttidman: bjb: bartman won't be available (19:58:54) ***wardi nods to bjb (19:59:11) bjb: oh well ... ondrechak? (19:59:12) mcr: brb. 1 sec. (19:59:29) bjb: haven't seen him in a while (19:59:51) ttidman: dave0/Dave O'Neill? (20:00:07) mcr: my list: Richard Lessard, Don Kelley. (20:00:38) maggi: how many people do we really need to be there to judge? (20:00:51) maggi: how many were last year? (20:00:57) wardi: also to help out teams that need it, right? (20:01:10) bjb: Last year they had 4 rooms with 3 or 4 teams in each room - each team needed someone to evaluate its entry (20:01:11) maggi: no, we are not allowed to help them out (20:01:11) mcr: we need three. (20:01:28) mcr: so please ask the people you just volunteered... (20:01:42) mcr: back in 1 min. (20:02:36) bjb: Oops, the announcement is about projects, not about programming olympics. Can we have more than one announcement on the front page at a time? (20:02:47) bjb: s/projects/project funding/ (20:03:01) mcr: back. found PJ top! (20:03:16) bjb: Great, now mcr has clothes on ;-) (20:03:26) mcr: it was not for me :-) (20:03:28) mcr: I'm still naked. (20:03:40) bjb: aaaah! tmi! (20:03:41) ttidman: will someone please second michael putting his pj's on (20:03:45) wardi: well, that put me off my steak (20:04:03) mcr: anything else on this topic? (20:04:09) mcr: who has the vanity checque? (20:04:22) wardi: me (20:04:33) wardi: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/ProgrammingOlympics2008?action=diff&version=5 (20:04:56) mcr: who is bringing the vanity checque? (20:05:20) maggi: if ian brings it to the next meeting, i can bring it to the event (20:05:25) wardi: works for me (20:05:36) nashjc: We may want to check the cheque -- as I recall the markers didn't erase as they should. (20:05:45) wardi: vim worked (20:05:48) mcr: photographs? (20:06:00) mcr: vim vanity-check.tex (20:06:08) nashjc: bjb: did you have camera last year? (20:06:10) ttidman: mcr: i'll have my camera with me that day :) (20:06:23) bjb: I have a film camera (20:06:24) bjb: still (20:06:34) bjb: I did take some pictures (20:06:41) mcr: I also have a still camera. But it's digital. (20:07:04) mcr: anything else? (20:07:29) maggi: no (20:07:47) wardi: is it a single 1000.00 prize? (20:07:52) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #5 - LiTW 2008 (20:08:09) maggi: I have not started a wiki page, but I will. (20:08:15) maggi: i will book the site this week. (20:08:44) mcr: I thought it was $500! (20:08:59) mcr: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/ticket/31 (20:09:33) ***wardi too (20:09:35) maggi: mrc $500?? (20:09:39) mcr: date for LiTW is July 27? (20:10:16) maggi: that is the sunday? (20:10:20) bjb: ok for me (July 27). July 27 is the Sunday after OLS (20:10:21) mcr: I think so. (20:10:31) maggi: sounds good (20:10:56) rj_ren: yes. jul 27 is the sunday after ols (20:11:04) maggi: date is good for me (20:11:12) ttidman: http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2008/ (20:11:19) ttidman: that date is good, yes (20:12:00) mcr: wow OLS looks really good! (20:12:00) nashjc: 2008 Linux Symposium, Ottawa, Canada July 23rd - 26th, 2008 -- on site (20:12:00) wardi: how about adding a link to OLS from oclug? (20:12:33) mcr: who wants to coordinate with AJH? (20:12:35) bjb: I like the idea of adding the link to OLS from OCLUG. An announcement too? (20:12:48) wardi: bjb: yeah (20:13:35) wardi: I could coordinate with ajh (20:14:10) wardi: but I need his email (20:14:19) ttidman: ajh@linuxsymposium.org (20:14:35) mcr: also cc: rgb@tricolour.net (20:15:09) wardi: about litw? (20:15:21) mcr: yeah, since RGB will likely be coordinating the "Hackers Bike Ride" (20:15:26) wardi: right (20:15:34) mcr: so he'll have to get info into AJH too. (20:15:39) ***mcr might go to OLS this year. (20:16:01) mcr: previous years, we have spent about $150 on food. (20:16:05) nashjc: Check the rates -- you may have about 3 hours to save several $100s (20:16:11) wardi: who knows where it will be next year (20:16:15) mcr: I think that has been consistent. (20:16:43) wardi: well, conress centre will be under construction (20:16:45) mcr: i have until the end of tomorrow, I think. (20:16:56) nashjc: Says 15th April (20:17:01) wardi: and they were taking a survey about alternate cities last year (20:17:15) nashjc: In fact "Before April 15" ?? (20:17:56) mcr: the web page says April 16 now. (20:18:03) mcr: I just paid :-) (20:19:13) nashjc: Sorry was only looking at FAQ since I've not got a login. (20:19:21) mcr: have we approved the budget of $150 for food? (20:19:39) bjb: I approve $150 +/- 10% for food (20:19:43) nashjc: Motion: Budget of $250 for LiTW total. (20:19:59) mcr: seconded. (20:20:14) bjb: Ok I guess ... (20:20:21) mcr: there is the park fee. (20:20:34) mcr: they don't like us tying stuff to trees. (20:20:36) maggi: $50 (20:20:41) ttidman: litw2007: park rental cost $50, food cost $168.83 (20:21:00) mcr: do we want to find someone with a bbq/food tent thing? (20:21:01) ttidman: http://oclug.on.ca/phpwiki?pagename=LitW2007 (20:21:04) nashjc: I figured $250 gives a small bit of room (20:21:17) maggi: i don't think we can put up any structure at all (20:21:17) wardi: yeah, there will be ols-folk (20:21:36) mcr: nothing attached to the trees. Other people have put up those walk-in tents. (20:21:42) mcr: they are free-standing. (20:21:54) bjb: They don't like us to "build structures" either (20:22:07) mcr: really. so will they refund us if it rains then? (20:22:14) bjb: I doubt it (20:22:26) nashjc: It may be worth considering other venues (20:22:31) bjb: I think they'll give you a lecture on what "outdoors" means instead (20:22:44) ttidman: nashjc: there aren't many available (20:23:19) nashjc: Have we ever considered the park on Range Road by Rideau. It's on bike path. (20:23:31) mcr: google map? (20:24:32) mcr: other suggestions? (20:24:33) nashjc: Strathcona Park -- put "Laurier and Range, Ottawa" in maps.google.com (20:25:00) bjb: We could also ask rgb (20:25:13) bjb: he might have suggestions based on what's convenient for hacker bike ride(s) (20:25:19) mcr: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Laurier+and+Range,+Ottawa&jsv=107&sll=45.392128,-75.745677&sspn=0.010669,0.011888&ie=UTF8&ll=45.426453,-75.671124&spn=0.010662,0.011888&z=16 (20:25:40) mcr: okay, so tyler: will you talk to RGB about that then?> (20:26:03) ttidman: mcr: sure, i can do that (20:26:20) mcr: anything else right now about the picnic? (20:26:26) mcr: activities to have? (20:26:51) ttidman: we have the left-over incidental items from last year's litw at our place... napkins, cutlery, etc. (20:27:04) bjb: Are we giving away live linux cd's? (20:27:16) mcr: oops, we forgot to add that to the agenda. (20:27:22) mcr: I'll put that at the end? (20:27:37) ttidman: bjb: we were planning to have Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 LTS disks on-hand there (20:28:11) ttidman: i am planning to order those in 9 or so days (as soon as they're up on their store) (20:28:37) ttidman: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/ticket/23 (20:28:44) mcr: okay, next item? (20:29:07) maggi: yes (20:29:17) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #6 - open tickets (20:29:38) mcr: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/ticket/26 (20:29:53) mcr: hmm. that's not about gmane, is it? (20:29:57) bjb: What about the Carback item? (20:30:02) mcr: ah, yes. (20:30:11) bjb: Carback has submitted his expenses (20:30:19) bjb: I put them on tux at /home/board/private (20:30:21) mcr: bjb: read the agenda. (20:30:37) mcr: is item #26 still open? (20:30:42) mcr: ACTION: wardi to contact gmane about including -linux list #26 (20:30:46) mcr: ACTION: maggi to contact NCF about using logo on our site (20:30:48) wardi: not done (20:30:52) wardi: (#26) (20:30:55) mcr: how about that one? (20:31:53) maggi: mrc, that is ticket 30 and not done (20:31:54) bjb: So, ... we're skipping the Carback item entirely then? (20:31:56) ttidman: mcr: contact ncf item not done, daniel at ncf has promised me he will get back to me (probably) this week (20:32:54) mcr: I notice that ttidman and maggi have no tux account. (20:32:59) mcr: and I wasn't in board group. (20:33:30) ttidman: mcr: we should rewind by one agenda item (20:33:38) maggi: ttidman: also need to be added to the board mail groups (20:33:49) mcr: okay, I must have added it in different orders in the minutes vs the agenda page. (20:34:37) mcr: board-members: mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca,tyler@draak.ca, ian@excess.org, margaret.tidman@draak.ca (20:34:48) mcr: missing Roland and John! (20:35:04) ttidman: mcr: tyler.tidman@draak.ca please (20:35:45) mcr: what's roland's email? (20:35:52) mcr: proceed to carback item! (20:35:57) rj_ren: roland_renaud@mitel.com (20:36:06) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #7 - carback reimbursement. (20:36:23) bjb: ... Carback says he's missing a receipt, but the expense is listed on his statement. (20:36:39) bjb: bottom line: By my count, the total comes to 161.35 with and 128.81 without the NY gas (20:36:44) bjb: station (20:36:48) bjb: I haven't added it yet myself (20:36:55) bjb: maggi, can you see the receipts? (20:37:05) mcr: maggi can't, she has no tux account yet. (20:37:26) mcr: I can make one for tyler easily, since I probably have his public keys? (20:37:32) bjb: Well ... (20:37:45) bjb: I suppose I can show maggi the receipts from my laptop in the next meeting (20:38:05) mcr: I looked at receipts. What is the total? (20:38:06) bjb: I'd like to reimburse Carback for the NY gas as well as everything else (20:38:08) ttidman: mcr: i'll make a new key tomorrow (20:38:11) mcr: ok. (20:38:22) bjb: quote from Carback's letter: "By my count, the total comes to 161.35 with and 128.81 without the NY gas" (20:38:32) bjb: I haven't verified, but will get to it (20:38:47) ttidman: bjb: can we get a hard copy of the receipts to appease the gods of audit? (20:38:56) bjb: We can ask (20:38:59) mcr: let's go with paying the NY gas. (20:39:12) wardi: yeah (20:39:17) mcr: photocopy + USPO. (20:39:23) bjb: To what mailing address should they be sent? (20:39:29) bjb: USPO? (20:39:33) rj_ren: I think we should give carback $161.35. Why punish him because he lost a receipt? (20:40:03) mcr: to the OCLUG address is on Fifth avenue. c/o Randall Levitt. (20:40:05) nashjc: mcr: FYI: I just tried nashjc@oclug.on.ca and no joy. Should I send new key, or is there a way to see old pub key (20:40:05) mcr: I don't have it handy. (20:40:48) mcr: ssh-rsa AAAAB3...AiYg2E= nashjc@local-rsa (20:40:49) mcr: and (20:40:58) mcr: ssh-dss AAAAB3Nza....B08YQ3+PQE8 john@JNTWRU (20:41:15) mcr: USPO - US Post Office. (20:41:40) mcr: http://oclug.on.ca/contacts/ (20:41:43) mcr: has address on it. (20:41:56) mcr: any objects to 161? (20:42:14) maggi: nope (20:42:17) wardi: no (20:42:41) mcr has changed the topic to: MEETING tonight: 7:30 - 9pm. AGENDA: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardAgenda. ITEM #8 - roles for new board members (20:43:03) maggi: i would like to keep the treasurer position, if the is okay with all. (20:43:14) mcr: nashjc: those ssh-* were your keys from tux, btw. (20:43:28) mcr: all in favour of maggi of treasurer? (20:43:37) wardi: yup (20:43:47) wardi: I'll take a title this year in exchange for someone else taking speaker-coordinator role :-) (20:43:49) rj_ren: sure (20:43:50) mcr: i would like to remain as secretary, but this year, I'll promise to take the membership list over from Brenda. (20:44:18) rj_ren: if someone wants to be VP, i'll let them. (20:44:21) mcr: so, wardi is VP, and Roland is speaker coordinator? (20:44:47) wardi: works for me, rj_ren? (20:45:11) rj_ren: umm, i don't have too many contacts but if people will help suggest... (20:45:34) wardi: that's how it worked when I was doing it. (20:45:39) nashjc: I'm happy to continue as MC of meeting, but is nobody else wanting Pres? (20:45:46) wardi: mcr is a font of contacts (20:46:03) nashjc: I'm also willing to help with speakers, esp. as I come off sabbatical. (20:46:20) rj_ren: i think john has been a good pres. he can continue as far as I'm concerned. (20:46:24) mcr: Actually, I'm a Helvetica! (20:46:30) ttidman: rj_ren: agreed (20:46:42) maggi: i second that (20:46:53) wardi: rj_ren: 3rded (20:47:06) mcr: http://www.amazon.com/Helvetica-Forever-Typeface-Lars-M%C3%BCller/dp/3037781211 (20:47:28) mcr: (20:47:28) mcr: maggi: treasurer. (20:47:28) mcr: mcr: secretary. (20:47:28) mcr: wardi: vp (20:47:28) mcr: roland: speaker coordinator (20:47:28) mcr: nashjc: present (20:47:28) mcr: ttidman: open (20:47:28) mcr: (20:47:39) mcr: okay, next? (20:47:53) mcr: speakers for June, and August. (20:47:55) mcr: we had: (20:48:00) mcr: (20:48:00) mcr: Jean Francois - Opera. (June?) (20:48:00) mcr: Herb Hartwig - IPv6. (June?) (20:48:00) mcr: (20:48:30) wardi: I haven't contacted them yet (20:48:40) mcr: okay. any other ideas? (20:48:43) wardi: they had volunteered, right rj_ren ? (20:48:53) mcr: what kind of things do we *WANT* to hear about in the next year? (20:48:55) ttidman: mcr: i'd still like to hear that neuros/politics talk (20:49:04) rj_ren: yes, they volunteered but didn't give specific dates (20:49:07) mcr: ttidman: that's May, dude! (20:49:14) ttidman: mcr: awesome (20:49:25) mcr: we could have filled the entire 2 hours though... (20:49:25) ***wardi is totally there (20:49:37) ttidman: mcr: part 2 in july? (20:49:40) wardi: come back another time (20:50:23) mcr: okay, so let's move on. (20:50:36) mcr: Ubuntu CD order. (20:51:25) ttidman: pending release of hardy heron in... 9 days (20:51:37) wardi: but I want it *now* (20:51:50) nashjc: Off topic (fonts): My press is the Adana Flatbed in the Briar Press museum http://briarpress.org/museum/browse?page=11 -- I sold it to them. (20:51:51) ttidman: wardi: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta (20:51:54) mcr: is there a release party in Ottawa? (20:52:11) wardi: ttidman: yeah, running it at the moment (20:52:18) nashjc: After this winter, Ottawa has Hardy Herons (20:52:31) mcr: Meaghan's running it on my T43 right now too. (20:52:42) mcr: and I do mean, "right now" (20:52:52) mcr: we are a dualing laptop family now.... (20:53:12) mcr: so, how many CDs did we plan to buy?> (20:53:18) mcr: I think we still want to get 25 to the OPL? (20:53:44) ttidman: mcr: 40 for OPL, "a bunch" for OCLUG (20:54:05) mcr: are we selling them?> (20:54:07) ttidman: there are 33 branches of the OPL (20:54:29) mcr: are we giving one per person, donation suggested, and a second CD for $4, or something? (20:54:36) wardi: I still vote we give them out (if we're taking donations at the same time) (20:54:39) ttidman: i'm not keen on the idea of selling the cds (20:54:55) mcr: I'm in favour of limiting it to 1 per person though. (20:54:57) maggi: just limit the number they can get (20:55:06) ttidman: yes, limit them (20:55:07) mcr: if they want a second, why not make money on it? (20:55:23) mcr: we won't get them for the May meeting, unless we can pre-order them. (20:55:31) nashjc: Problem may be issue of sales tax (20:55:36) mcr: I sent an email yesterday to some canonical person I found. (20:55:41) bjb: We could auction them off (20:55:46) bjb: if demand is high (20:55:56) mcr: sales tax? we don't do more than $50K, so as a non-profit, we can opt-out of GST calculations. (20:56:03) mcr: PST... I dunno. (20:56:06) ttidman: mcr: if we could get them by the end of may, that would give us copies on hand for the prog. olympics (20:56:26) ttidman: we should definitely have them by litw though (20:56:26) mcr: yes, so getting them by May 24 is the goal, and we'd give them out by June. (20:56:47) mcr: I'd like to recoup 50% of our costs for the CDs, so that we can go and order more! (20:57:07) rj_ren: mcr: sounds reasonable (20:57:25) ttidman: most of the folks at the meetings are already running linux though so... (20:57:48) bjb: If we're giving most of them to the library free, won't it be hard to recoup costs on the remain few (20:57:51) bjb: ? (20:58:04) mcr: what do the CDs cost Tyler? (20:58:29) ttidman: mcr: i thought they worked out to euro1.50 or thereabouts (20:58:41) ttidman: i haven't looked in a while (20:58:41) bjb: I've tried adding the Carback receipts. (20:58:51) bjb: Gas only adds to 161.35 as he said (20:59:17) wardi: euros are expensive these days :-( (20:59:26) bjb: add in a couple of food items (statement only though, but we did see the guy at Chances R with our own eyes) it's $190.58 (20:59:33) nashjc: Not as much as Euros were though! (20:59:51) mcr: so, around 2.40CDN for a CD. (21:00:01) mcr: 240 for 100. (21:00:11) mcr: we have 60 left over. (21:00:12) bjb: I wouldn't mind reimbursing him for the food expenses too (22.10 Chances R + 7.13 Taco Bell) (21:00:35) wardi: sounds ok to me (21:00:47) nashjc: Ok to Carback expenses inc. food (21:00:56) mcr: if there are 30 people at the meeting, then we have 30 left over. If we sell those at $4 each, that's $120. (21:00:59) rj_ren: bjb: ok with me (21:01:04) mcr: that's 50% recoup right there. (21:01:12) mcr: I've left none for the Programming Olympics. (21:01:41) mcr: so, I suggest we get $300 worth of CDs. (21:01:58) ttidman: sorry, looks like the cds will be (before shipping and taxes and taxes on the shipping and so on) 0.825 GBP each (21:03:00) mcr: that's 1.815CDN, if GBP is 2.2. (21:03:06) mcr: I think it's lower now. (21:03:25) mcr: motion: that we buy $300 of CDs. (21:03:33) mcr: including shipping and taxes. (21:03:36) nashjc: GBP is <2.04 at Accu-rate (21:03:55) wardi: similar on xe.com (21:04:06) mcr: is there a seconder for my motion? (21:04:11) wardi: I second (21:04:31) bjb: I third the motion to buy $300 of CDs (21:04:39) ttidman: mcr: should i try to finangle some source cds too? (21:05:03) nashjc: OK on 300 (21:05:07) mcr: I don't think so --- it's not generally worth it, and anyone who wants source can usually download it, and burn it, or just not burn it. (21:05:11) bjb: I'm not keen on getting source CDs (21:05:18) rj_ren: $300 of cds ok with me (21:05:38) mcr: tyler? maggi? (21:05:56) maggi: good with me (21:06:00) ttidman: aye, $300 of cds, after shipping and taxes (21:06:15) mcr: I move to adjourn! (21:06:23) maggi: second (21:06:27) wardi: what of the 1000.00 prize? (21:06:40) mcr: good question. I understand the prize was 500. (21:06:40) nashjc: ? $500 prize (21:06:41) bjb: Can we have a full vote on Carback's full expenses? (21:06:43) wardi: when was that amount decided? (21:06:46) maggi: it is $500 (21:06:46) ttidman: LiTW wiki page ready... http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/LinuxInTheWild2008 (21:06:50) mcr: okay, two items left: (21:07:01) mcr: size of ProgOlympics prize. (21:07:10) rj_ren: bjb: carback full expenses. i vote yes (21:07:11) maggi: last year was $500 (21:07:12) mcr: revise Carback expenses to include food. (21:07:22) wardi: bjb: full expenses, yes (21:07:28) maggi: i vote yes to carback expenses (21:07:38) nashjc: I already said yes (21:07:52) ttidman: i concur, yes to carback (21:07:57) mcr: concur. (21:08:11) mcr: next item: size of prize. (21:08:15) bjb: Ok ... so for carback I guess I have to get a paper submission from him and then we write him a cheque? (21:08:31) maggi: bjb: yes please (21:08:37) bjb: ok, thanks (21:08:55) mcr: where did the 1000 idea come from? (21:09:01) wardi: it was nice to have an out-of-town speaker (21:09:12) wardi: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/ProgrammingOlympics2008 (21:09:40) mcr: so, just from the wiki page? (21:09:48) mcr: I'm sure that we never discussed that at a meeting. (21:09:52) mcr: (that I was at) (21:09:54) wardi: I just noticed that and thought I'd missed something (21:10:15) nashjc: Suggest we stick with $500 we gave last year. (21:10:28) ttidman: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/ProgrammingOlympics2008?action=diff&version=2&old_version=1 (21:10:53) mcr: any objections to sticking to $500 as we did last year? (21:10:59) wardi: no (21:11:02) ttidman: no objection, $500 is good (21:11:03) maggi: no (21:11:05) rj_ren: agree we stick with $500 unless someone has good reason to increase. (21:11:09) wardi: ttidman: the change before that (21:11:19) ttidman: wardi: yes, http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/ProgrammingOlympics2008?action=diff&version=1 (21:11:45) mcr: I move to adjourne. (21:12:03) mcr: but, without the e. (21:12:05) nashjc: ok to adjourn (21:12:06) wardi: I'll fix the page (21:12:07) rj_ren: adjourn ok with me (21:12:09) mcr: I'll donate the e to creat(2). (21:12:25) ttidman: agreed, adjourn (21:12:26) wardi: but.. but.. posix (21:12:35) nashjc: Vote of thanks to bjb? (21:12:43) mcr: THANK YOU BRENDA! (21:12:44) wardi: huge vote of thanks (21:12:52) ttidman: definitely... thanks brenda (21:12:56) rj_ren: yes many thanks to brenda for all your help! (21:12:57) ttidman: awesome job as usual (21:13:20) maggi: yes, thanks bjb